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Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

B Teulada wrote: For the last year and a half he has dragged me to a strange place, this limbo where i have completely lost my way and am now left in mid-air.

Don't mean to intrude. This psychological realm which K was exploring, you know it all inside out. Now all the explanations, investigations etc are an evasion. The exploring mind is paradoxically generating and maintaining the psychological split. End it. Give it no star role. No refuge. That was the guy's insight.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

What I mean is...just as you get the point, the mind splits to ask another question....and the circus begins again

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Don't worry about K...a psychological insight belongs to no-one. He was not the only person in history to have seen what he said...but for us he put it in a modern context.

The mind splits endlessly cleverly (in this psychological realm...) to maintain continuity.

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Katy Ji wrote: For sure, John. Otherwise, how would 'I' know that 'I' am still here (?)

Katy. I see where you are coming from. To qualify...let's put it this way...when there is no splitting, there is still perception...and within that perception there may be stillness, or a stream of thinking...and that stream of thinking whatever it's nature, sad or happy, is flowing freely ....it tells it's story ...with no split...

Forum: General Discussion Fri, 25 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Katy-Ji For sure, John. Otherwise, how would 'I' know that 'I' am still here (?)

Katy...I see where you are coming from. To qualify....or put it another way. If the mind doesn't split....there is still perception. And within that perception there may be quietness or indeed a stream of thinking that can be sad or happy....but it is flowing freely and allowed to tell it's story and it's total.....but if you have a like or dislike of what is being perceived......a conflicting factor, a split is introduced that corals, blocks and judges. If you ask how not to do that...the judge comes into play. He/she loves that response....and you'll be on this site for years!!

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 26 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

B Teulada wrote: Katy Ji wrote:

keeping the mind in doubt is doubt all that bad you think?

The doubting and questioning are invaluable. They are the only tools we've got. But when genuinely pursued with passion you get an insight and it's ....a precipice. (Only in this psychological realm, not when trying to build a house, drive a car, solve a maths problem etc.) But in this realm once the mind gets a whiff of that... the split occurs...anything to avoid the precipice....Anything but face the death of itself.

And the classic evasion: "But how do I do that?" Means you've walked away, you've evaded. Beyond that, nothing more can be said.

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 26 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Katy Ji wrote: Yes, it isn't much 'fun' is it looking one's own death (or nothingness) squarely in the face, is it?

Katy...That's the judgement the split mind makes.....it'll run you into the ground with a torrent of qualifications, explanations.... a continuity that runs forever..

but.....if there's no split?

Forum: General Discussion Sat, 26 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Katy Ji wrote: Yes, it isn't much 'fun' is it looking one's own death (or nothingness) squarely in the face, is it?

Katy Ji Way some time ago, someone said "In the end is the beginning"

It took me well over 2000 years to get it!!! But it's nice to know the human mind has been here before. The insight gets re-packaged to suit the times. ;)

Forum: General Discussion Sun, 27 Jan 2013
Topic: Koming to a K-Halt

Satya Prakash wrote: When is there no split?

'Silent state' kind of reply to the above question to oneself, is that to stand on the edge of the precipice you mentioned?

Hello Satya. I have to move carefully here. It's best if I give an example. "I'm jealous, jealousy rages in me, and spontaneously there is a split. I am condemning my jealousy. So I've added conflict to my jealousy. But I'm watching. I'm watching both the jealousy and the condemnation of it and the conflict that produces within me. In the past I had invested the censor...the split....with authority. It has lost the authority I used to invest in it. It too is now part of the flow I am now watching....it is that total engagement in that flow which is the intelligence K talks of that is commensurate to the crisis within you.

Now that is a significant psychological change......because the censor....which is natural, and spontaneous to us all.....has lost authority and is subordinate to a higher court....eg that undivided flow we are calling intelligence.emphasized text

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 26 Feb 2013
Topic: How to inquire?

LOV geassuser wrote: How do yu formulate inquiries?

The "how" looks for formulas...as you put it, or methods. And you'll find them, they're endless.

The words "is it possible" imply a sense of inquiry....that is, it may or may not be possible. (But you must be honest with yourself, for your unconscious will not tolerate deception).

So you look, at yourself in action, like a scientist looking at new bacteria through a microscope. He didn't create the bacteria, he doesn't identify with it etc. (just like you didn't create your thinking/thoughts...they come to you spontaneously from moment to moment, sometimes through conditioning...what ever, it doesn't matter) He watches, watches watches. He's in a state of watching, learning, not separate from what he sees, it's total. He's being objective. Not trying to be objective, he's in a state of objectiveness.

Now watching thoughts/thinking like that is a bit more difficult than the scientist looking through that microscope. Because it's one part of the psyche looking at another part of the psyche.....and often one part spontaneously identifies, condemns or condones. But that condoning, condemning or identifying is also part of what you see. You too are being objective...seeing your mind in operation, including your own cunning, self deception, dishonesty etc. So there's a hell of a lot of learning going on, some of it very unsavoury about yourself. That demands great integrity, immense honesty with yourself and dare I say it, moral courage. You'll be disturbed and there's a lot to be assimilated about yourself.

Know yourself...or knowing yourself....it sounds so sweet. Accredited by K, the ancients and a number of other very perceptive guys.

But hey, at times it's like climbing mount Everest with lead boots and the odd avalanche to set you back. ;)

Forum: General Discussion Tue, 26 Feb 2013
Topic: How to inquire?

LOV geassuser wrote: If i were to be free from all psychological dependency, can i be free totally and instantly?

Most people live within the psychological realm of condoning, condemning and identifying......according to the culture in whatever part of the world they were raised. They are not fully conscious of what they are doing. But if the times are propitious, and there are no civil or international wars, and family up-bringing has been reasonable....they'll get through their lives without asking major questions. It's tribal, a distillation of what has worked in the past.

But for better or worse, some people, maybe the more sensitive have found such living unsatisfactory. Their doubts and questions inevitably lead them to the questions often posed on this site. If you are at all serious, you'll see the significance of watching the mind. Done without condemning, condoning or identifying....you are making conscious behaviour that was previously unconscious. You'll have little insights gained "on the hoof", sometimes at inadvertent moments, sometimes from dreams, of how you have been setting yourself up unconsciously for being hurt....but also how, sometimes unwittingly, your behaviour has or is hurting others.

And this does not preclude judgement, for upon reflection you may decide not to behave or do certain things because it damages or results in unnecessary conflict. But all this is hard work.....it imposes a moral imperative upon you which often feels not of your making, and you are going to have to take on board unsavoury aspects of your nature usually witnessed in everyone but yourself. This will dislocate you even further from the culture in which you were raised.

But it has it's compensations, you'll discover a growing confidence within yourself usually dissipated in searching for answers from others, an ability to defuse or be unfazed by problems that appeared to be intractable. And seeing the necessity of this groundwork offers a new perspective on questions like: If i were to be free from all psychological dependency, can i be free totally and instantly? :)

Forum: General Discussion Wed, 27 Feb 2013
Topic: Person-Centered World Peace

Ruth Bass wrote: Quote from K: .....but continual awareness, strenuous questioning with delicacy and care, will create within us abiding peace. So our first task is with ourselves, for the world is ourselves in extension.

And that "continual awareness" will show what an utterly extraordinary achievement the Ego is. It has taken 1000s' if not millions of years to emerge from a primeval psyche, not just differentiated, but conscious of itself. That is what is so utterly extraordinary. The Ego needs to be cherished, nourished and above all understood. We would not be who or what we are, without it. Respect.

But awareness also tells us of it's negative or shadow side. The Ego has a tendency to jump into muddy waters to make it clear....often with the best of intentions. But allied to this understanding or awareness of it's shadow side, (maybe we could even say as a consequence) an intelligence emerges to say to our once all conquering Ego, "hold fire for a moment, don't jump in, the waters will settle of their own accord, and then when we've got a clearer picture....then we'll make a judgement,..... a judgement inclusive of what you the Ego thinks, but unlike in the past, you're not the final arbitrator. Intelligence is, and it has something common to us all about which we don't fight..something of that primal psyche. Something wise.

Forum: General Discussion Thu, 28 Feb 2013
Topic: Hm....yes, but...

Ruth Bass wrote: Quote from K: .....but continual awareness, strenuous questioning with delicacy and care, will create within us abiding peace. So our first task is with ourselves, for the world is ourselves in extension." End of quote.

And that "continual awareness" will show what an utterly extraordinary achievement the Ego is. It has taken 1000s' if not millions of years to emerge from a primeval psyche, not just differentiated, but conscious of itself. That is what is so utterly extraordinary. The Ego needs to be cherished, nourished and above all understood. We would not be who or what we are, without it. Respect.

But awareness also tells us of it's negative or shadow side. The Ego has a tendency to jump into muddy waters to make it clear....often with the best of intentions. But allied to this understanding or awareness of it's shadow side, (maybe we could even say as a consequence) an intelligence emerges to say to our once all conquering Ego, "hold fire for a moment, don't jump in, the waters will settle of their own accord, and then when we've got a clearer picture....then we'll make a judgement,..... a judgement inclusive of what you the Ego thinks, but unlike in the past, you're not the final arbitrator. Intelligence is, and it has something common to us all about which we don't fight..something of that primal psyche. Something wise."

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